XenoKiLLer wrote:
so, by that you mean that headshots arent really that effective.
No! I'm just saying head shots are not as effective as games often make them out to be with smaller caliber weapons.
Statistically the number of 9mm rounds hitting an unarmored skull that will graze, bounce, spaul (or all three) is quite high. Of course the larger caliber the round, the more directly on axis the shot is -- the more likely it is to penetrate and do catastrophic and/or lethal damage.
But, a contemporary Elite soldier wearing body armor and a helmet offers a very small
unarmored frontal facial/head target (and virtually none from the back), that's very difficult to hit under the pressure of combat.
XenoKiLLer wrote:
I have heard of headshot survivors somewhere before. I guess it is the best to shoot between the eyes where the skull isnt as thick.
I was speaking in general terms, with respect to armored and unarmored targets... By way of a specific comparison of reality to True Combat: Elite as it is now, most Gamers even if they had comparable real world training and skill would find hitting and killing a man wearing body armor and helmet much more difficult IRL then they do in the game. The real world target is smaller, must be hit dead on with light pistol ammunition to avoid an ineffective graze and spaul shot, and even level III armor will stop a virtually unlimited number of 9mm rounds cold, as will a Kevlar helmet.
In the case of an armored combatant the pelvic girdle offers a much larger and softer target than a helmet protected head -- that can have much more certain 'hit' and 'take down' probability under pressure.
XenoKiLLer wrote:
those hit boxes seem more correct. although if we were to use more complciated hitboxes not every part of th vest has an equal amount of protection right? I believe its the sides that are vulnerable, somewhere around the seams.
It depends on the vest, the best vests available offer incredible protection literally from your chin to just below your navel; armholes are well protected by upper arm armor, and neck with a dam... Add a loin plate to this affair, and ballistic face shield and while not invincable you're amazingly well protected.
Silentcrisis wrote:
Umm... groin shots would be crippling, not lethal.
Unless your balls are connected directly to your spinal cord.
Don't confuse the pelvic girdle with the groin; the pelvic girdle is anatomically a much larger and more vulnerable target that incudes roughly everything from your belly button to the groin -- the effective area even includes the upper most inside frontal area of your quadriceps as your femoral artery is very exposed.
Your pelvic girdle acts like a big bullet funnel that as discussed on the previous page not only catches bullets with the large bone masses of your pelvis and spine -- but typically ricochets and spauls the penetrating projectile causing massive multiple path damage... A 9mm bullet to this area
can do as much
functional damage as literally being cut in half by large artillery munitions. Compare that to the 9mm round that will bounce off someone's head and you have an idea how vulnerable this area is.
A rough look at the vulnerable anatomy of the pelvic area might help some appreciate how you soft a target this area offers:
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You can see the massive abdominal aorta, mesenteric, iliac, and gonadal arteries are close together, right inside the reflective area of the pelvis... All these arteries are easily ruptured, severed or lacerated -- projectile damage here typically more closely approximates shattering and you can bleed out as fast or faster then many chest wounds -- and there's no effective place to apply pressure to stem the inevitable...
Also in close proximity are the heavily vascularized organs like the kidneys that hemorrhage profusely when perforated, torn or ruptured.
Then there's the massive and very vulnerable nerve roots that are easily torn, lacerated and severed causing instant crippling pain, unconsciousness, or permanent paralysis -- not to mention the large bone masses of the spine, pelvis and hip area that if fractured or shattered is totally cripling...
The hard and tough '
Elite Man Of War's' lower belly is a soft bag of fragile exposed guts that are easily eviscerated in crippling pain, hemorrhage, or outright paralysis -- that can lead to death as swift as many head wounds.
Certainly a well placed 7.62 or .5 BMG round that functionally or literally decapitates is a more certain kill then three rounds to the pelvic girdle (though barely so... But
statistically more men in combat are casually injured (taken out of action by crippling injury) then killed -- and for the purposes of a
realistic game it really doesn't matter whether your dead, unconscious from blood loss, crippled with pain, or literally paralyzed from grotesque and catastrophic injury...
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you know now that i thought of it, a shot on the groin can kill you. not just the amount of blood, since the damn thing is a blood vessel wrapped sausage, lol. sarcasm k, you would die of blood lost not to mention shock and pain.
